Seeking Dr Chapot

Hi Jonny,

I (26F) recently joined this website as I found out in March that I have ~3cm grade 3 AVM in my left posterior occipital parietal lobe. Since then, I have been seeing different doctors for advice on what I should do about it. They have recommended embolisation treatment for me and suggested Dr Rene Chapot. I’ve been searching up posts on here that mention him and have been incredibly impressed and encouraged by the stories his patients have written. I am so sorry you have had to go though such an awful health issue and I’m happy to hear that you had success and wish you well as you carry on your recovery.

I would really like to arrange a consultation with him, however, as I live in the UK, I can’t easily get to Germany just for an initial consultation, I wondered if you knew whether it was possible to meet with him online via video link? I read on their website that they are not currently doing online consultations, which confused me as I know they have many international patients.

I’m also not quite sure who to contact about arranging an appointment and saw that you might have some email addresses I could try. Would you mind letting me know which emails these would be? I know there is a general enquiry email for international patients, however, I wasn’t sure whether there was a more direct one that would be better to write to.

I’m also having trouble accessing my angiogram scan, with the NHS hospital saying it will take up to 1-2 months to send it (I’m looking to get a consultation and treatment asap). Plus the hospital I had it done at are incredibly overwhelmed and very slow, so I know it will take the maximum time. Do you think Alfried Krupp can request it on my behalf (?), as I imagine they would process it far quicker if it came from the hospital instead of me!

I’m sorry to ask you multiple questions in a very lengthy message. I feel very out of my depth with this health issue already and now I feel completely in the dark trying to access healthcare in another country, so any help or advice would be so welcomed.

Thank you so much for reading :slight_smile:

-Sophie.

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Hi Sophie, I’m sorry to hear about your AVM, I appreciate the shock of diagnosis. Also understand the urge to seek treatment asap and the stress of finding the right treatment for you. Just bear in mind that bleeding risk for an unruptured AVM like yours is low in any given year….and risks of intervention are taken up front at the point you have it. So taking time to choose a treatment and balancing the risks of treatment Vs time are essential.

Can I ask, was gamma knife ruled out for you, and why? That would seem the low risk option generally for someone with a difficult to access AVM. Obviously the elapsed time is a disadvantage, but the side effects could also be less risky. I was unlucky because I was non responsive to gamma k

I had an initial online consult with Dr Chapot and I’m confident he will do that for you. He will need to see the catheter angiogram the NHS will have for you. From that he may be able to make an assessment. To get an opinion for embolisation you may need a super selective angiogram (where they go closer to the AVM and see more detail) in which case you can have that privately at Alfred Krupps, or in the U.K. and share the scans. I did this in the U.K. As I had the scan privately it was easy to get them to release it to Alfred Krupps, il not sure of the NHS protocol for that. We’ve found that the PAs to your neurosurgeon can be very helpful allies when trying to navigate the NHS.

To contact Mr Chapot use these email addresses and title your email ‘New Patient Enquiry - Dr Chapot’ or similar. Please message me anytime if you need anything or want to ask questions. All the best!!

International@krupp-krankenhaus.de

international@krupp-krankenhaus.de

international@krupp-krankenhaus.de

international@krupp-krankenhaus.de

international@krupp-krankenhaus.de

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Hi Sophie,

thanks for the details and great to see that you’re on top of the statistics. I was very much the same :grin:….Like you say there are different risks to balance, and I totally get that you don’t want the 3-4 year wait. So let me tell you my experience. I was also under Mr Radtz at Sheffield, and was quoted similar odds, but was non responsive having waited five years. However, my AVM was very high flow, and they think I may be in the 10% of people with radiological resistant tissue. So possibly just unlucky. Initially I was very keen on surgery or embolisation as a certain ‘fix’, but quite honestly the risks for me were very high, they said 40% chance of significant visual impairment either way. Whereas gamma knife was 5%. My AVM was very deep and presented a challenging surgical target, and high risk for embolisation due to flow rates. So gamma knife was the only realistic option as I had not heard of Mr Chapot back then (2019). And in hindsight I am still glad I tried it. I was diagnosed due to a bleed, from which I lost some lower left peripheral vision, no big deal. The bleed was unpleasant and took some time to recover from but I was basically fully intact. So a bleed isn’t necessarily the end of the world, although it can be. I think around 15% are fatal, and another 30% leave a mark. I recently was told of someone whose had five bleeds and is ok. So that’s one thing to consider. The gamma knife risk you’re been quoted is significantly lower than the embolisation risk, but you also carry a ~1% annual risk of bleeding until obliteration (higher if you’ve had prior bleeding). A bleed may never happen, be years away and may be harmless, but it’s an open ended risk. But surgery / embolisation risk is all up front, today. I did have my AVM successfully embolised by Mr Chapot in a single session. It was a text book surgery, and they were all very pleased, however, I woke up with total hemianopia on my left side (right sided AVM) . They expected this to resolve when swelling subsided but it has not, and is the same today. I also had a complication from the catheter and have a significant narrowing of my right femoral artery which prevents me from running. I can’t drive due to the visual field deficit, and although I’ve adjusted amazingly well and live normally, it is something that I live with every day. So, do I regret the operation? No, because I’ve eliminated the risk of the AVM bleeding again, and I knew that was an open ended risk, and mine already bled twice. Once at 20 years old (undiagnosed at the time - but I’ve only had that headache twice) and again at 40. It helps me be at peace with my visual deficit knowing that I tried every low risk option and didn’t rush into anything. I’m not saying that you shouldn’t go for curative embolisation at all!! I am just saying that my perspective changed throughout the process. I became relaxed about the bleeding risk even though it had happened to me before, and the five years ‘waiting’ were not spent waiting, but living life to the full, with my full vision. I had a great few years. At the end of it more difficult decisions and then surgery one year ago. Mr Chapot and the hospital in Essen were excellent throughout, and will take great care of you, but they cannot be sure whether you will have side effects as my case shows. They didn’t expect serious issues, but they can’t say for certain and we were all surprised to find such a significant loss of vision without any recovery. The risk of embolisation is that you are making an abrupt change to the blood flow which can cause swelling and venous congestion, potentially damaging brain tissue. Gamma knife is a gradual process giving the brain time to adjust, which is less likely to cause radical side effects, although not risk free of course. I should say that I am 14 months post op, and it is possible to recover some level of vision for 2-3 years as collateral blood supply develops to compensate for whatever supply has been lost, IF that’s the problem. No one really knows exactly why I’ve lost the vision.

Having never had a bleed, you may want to challenge yourself on whether gamma knife might still be a better first option. It’s non invasive and recovery is quick. I did feel rough for a few weeks but it passed. The rest is about how you adapt to your situation and manage stress, which is important when you have an AVM. Stay hydrated, don’t drink too much, don’t smoke.

Sorry, another essay :sweat_smile:

Do let me know if I can answer any other questions.

Best

Jonny

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The essays are good!

To pitch in my experience, I had a dural arteriovenous fistula embolized by consultant interventional radiologist Dr Norman McConachie at Queen’s Medical Centre in Nottingham in 2017 on the NHS. When we did the planning, he suggested he might get it in one sitting but it might need two. He gave me (and note, these were my risks, not yours) a “5% chance of something bad happening, including death!” Nice.

I had a single embolization and despite feeling very odd post embo, Dr McConachie was convinced he had got me in one sitting with PHIL glue. I had a check angiogram at two months and Dr McConachie was still convinced I was 100%.

Now, you may think of embolization as pretty uninvasive, and I like Johnny’s characterisation of it: it is a pretty sudden change in the blood flows in your head. So don’t think it will necessarily be a walk in the park. I had very strange sensations post op and at some points post op I thought I was regressing, receiving to dizziness that I had had pre op. I got checked out in the following year, having a repeat angiogram about a year post op, being told at each stage that it was fine and I “just need to get used to the new pressures”. It took me 1½-2 years to get back to normal. It is not always like that but for me, 1½-2y.

Would I recommend embolization? Yes, if it is right for you. Would I be afraid of a second trip round the x-ray theatre for a second embolization if I needed one? No, actually. I think a lot of fear is the fear of the unknown. Having gone through it once, it was perfectly doable. I guess craniotomy is perfectly doable as well, though I think we all shy away from the degree of invasiveness that that appears to bring. So consider embolization as an option, definitely.

I do think that you’re in a very fortunate position to be able to choose from any of the three routes. The risks associated with each are probably your unbiased guide but when it comes down to it, you have to reconcile your decision whichever way you can to yourself in exactly the way Johnny described for him. I think we all do this.

I think in my case, DAVFs are more frequently treated by embolization in the UK (just going by the balance I can see on this forum) so a craniotomy is not usually offered (and probably wouldn’t be offered on the NHS as cost-effective). Gamma knife would have definitely been too slow for me, though again was not offered. I was very happy with embolization as it fitted my preferences and my appreciation of time to bleed, so I didn’t have cause to choose between options. I’m now retired and have avoided a bleed.

Very best wishes,

Richard

Hi Sophie, I hope you find the right treatment for you. Sometimes it’s an unexpected combination of treatments because of the nature of an avm.

My daughter had 2 embolisations with the aim of shutting the avm fully but at the second embolisation 3 months later, there was a surprise aneurysm. Treating this meant access to the feeder was now restricted and further embolisation was too risky given its location.

Prior to embolisation nr 2, GK was suggested but when they saw that an aneurysm grew within 3 months, GK was firmly off the table and a craniotomy was now the only option.

Best of luck to you

Hi Sophie,

I was successfully treated by Prof Chapot as an International Patient. My initial angiogram was done in Hong Kong. You can contact Prof Chapot directly by email rene.chapot@krupp-krankenhaus.de.

Prof Chapot treats many international patients and Krupps Krankenhaus is very good as well :-).

All the best for your treatment and recovery.